Granting Legal Personhood to Natural Systems: Kara Dentice - Episode 17

June 21, 2018

In this episode, Kara Dentice, a Maori descendant from Te Ureeera, speaks with our Seavangelesse, Nathalie Mezza-Garcia, about granting legal personhood to natural systems. Kara has been involved in two legal processes in New Zealand that gave legal personhood to the Whanganui river and the Te Urewera national park. In this talk, Kara explains why we should change our relation with the environment, going from an extractivist logic, to a logic of coexistence.



0:55 Introduction of Kara Dentice

1:55 A rooster interrupts Kara and Nathalie

2:18 Reframing the relation with the environment to coexistence

4:50  The placenta and mother earth in Maori culture

7:03 The Maoris, land, language and identity

9:55 Taxing farmers for the CO2 emissions of farming cows

11:15 Kara is sweating

11:35 Co-governance of natural resources

12:28 Guanagui River and Te urewera. A river and a national park that owns itself

14:14 Law is nothing but a piece of paper

14:57 Governments want to control

17:06 Can I sue a river that owns itself?

16:50 Can a river sue me?

22:55 Deterritorialization of personal identities

24:30 Kara’s relation with Te ure wera and his family’s tribes

28:30 Automatic translators

29:05 Keeping an indigenous culture alive

33:25 The Mana

32:25 The film Moana and its translations

34:39 Granting legal personhood to natural systems

43:20 Changing our relation with the environment

49:50 Closing




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Happiness, Wellbeing, Natural Assets & Blockchain: Mark Anielski - Episode 16

June 12, 2018

In this episode, Mark Anielski, author of The Economics of Happiness and The Economics of Wellbeing, speaks with our seavangelesse about his books. The conversation touches points such as the limitations of indexes, such as GDP and proposes to measure and back the wealth of communities with natural assets and how we could tokenize this.

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0:00 Introduction to Mark Anielski

0:35 Mark’s Book: The Economics of Happiness

1:00 Backing the wealth of a community with natural assets

1:35 Can money buy happiness?

2:00 Relation between GDP and happiness

3:40 Happiness is underestimated when measuring value

5:17 Ecological economics (Marc is a forest economist)

6:05 Mark’s socratic method to teach students about economics

7:01 Economics of wellbeing

7:55 How to measure happiness

8:45 Measuring Happiness in Arue in Tahiti

10:00 The island of Tahiti is shaped as a Mandelbrot Set Fractal

11:00 Te aroa ai rahi (verify)

12:00 Life and time in the Tahitian culture

13:00 No words for time in the Tahitian language

14:00 Time as an asset. We live 7.050 hours on average

15:35 : LIFE IN TIME

17:10 Money is nothing but a social invention

21:55 Using time as a currency

22:55 Bitcoin and time

22:25 Happiness and nature in French Polynesia

25:21 Reciprocity in Rapa Nui (Easter Island)

26:05 Sharing in the Inuits  community

26:52 The link between dancing, spontaneity and happiness

27:55 Ho pono pono

29:02 Mark Anielski: the most dangerous man in Tahiti

29:40 Backing natural assets on the blockchain

34:00 Designing bio-inspired systems

37:12 Greetings in parts of the world

38:14 How many hours has Mark lived?

41:10 The monetisation of natural resources

42:35 Rains of diamonds in Jupiter

43:35 I love you




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Bonus Episode: Robert Viglione, co-founder of ZenCash, Sits Down With Randy Hencken of Blue Frontiers

May 31, 2018

Robert Viglione 2nd degree connection2nd Co-founder of ZenCash, President of the Zen Blockchain Foundation at Zen Blockchain Foundation sits down with a chat with Randy Hencken.

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The Decentralist Manifesto: Max Borders - Episode 15

May 29, 2018

This episode was a complete surprise for our seavangelesse. The chat was recorded at the Startup Societies Summit in Washington D.C. Max Borders, co-founder of Voice and Exit, and guest of this podcast, speaks with our seavangelesse, Nathalie Mezza-Garcia, about all her favorite subjects: complexity science, chaos, entropy, dissipative systems, heterarchies, seasteading and polycentrism. The chat also focuses on concepts that are at the core of Max’s interests; panarchy spiral dynamics, holacracy, mutual aid, decentralized, distributed systems and the social singularity. This is the title of Max´s latest book, which is also discussed in this improvised conversation.

0:00 Introduction to Max Borders
1:25 The End of Politics
2:48 Mutual Aid
4:45 Holochain
5:30 Distributed Income Support cooperative, DISC
6:30 The solution: Neither the market nor the state
11:10 Polycentrism, polyarchy and panarchy -and seasteading
13:45 Biological systems and ecosystems
15:35 Holacracy
17:30 Heterarchies: from Newtonian models to bio-inspired ones
22:30 Entropy, chaos theory, complex systems and dissipative structures
29:00 The values of the post-ideological world
31:00 Nature is anarchic
32:30 Emergent nested hierarchies
34:05 The Social Singularity
35:20 Stuart Kauffman, self-organization, evolution and critical transition points
38:15 Spiral dynamics
45:30 The future of governance
46:45 Closing; The Decentralist Manifesto




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Bonus Episode: Randy Hencken Talks with JP Thor

May 25, 2018

In this episode, Randy Hencken chats with JP Thor, CEO and Co-founder of CanYa, technology enthusiast, aeronautical engineer, former Royal Australian Air Force pilot, early Bitcoin adopter and Ethereum ambassador.

Twitter: @jpthor_
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The Values of ZenCash and Blue Frontiers: Robert Viglione - Episode 14

May 22, 2018


The guest of this episode is Robert Viglione, co-founder of ZenCash. In this friendly conversation with our Seavangelesse, Nathalie Mezza-Garcia, Robert speaks of the long-plans of ZenCash, its partnerships and, of course, seasteading. This chat is a one hour conversation about why and how the value of ZenCash align those of Blue Frontiers and of seasteading.



0:00 Intro of Rob Viglione

0:26 How is ZenCash relevant for liquid democracy models of governance in seasteading
3:44 Professionalization of blockchain
5:22 ZenCash’s company departments  
6:55 Rob’s life as an academic
8:31 Why the rejection towards the blockchain space
10:13 Why Rob loves seasteading so much
11:11 Rob’s prediction about the future of seasteading
12:00 How the values of Seasteading and Blue Frontiers match the values of ZenCash
12:54 Floating Island Project in French Polynesia
13:35 Once you go crypto, you don’t go back
14:31 Governance through uses of blockchain on seasteads
16:17 Rob did the first Bitcoin transaction in Afghanistan
18:33 Exiting and a post-ideological world
18:59 Decentralized governance brings security
22:13 Why reducing complexity makes no sense
24:30 Inequalities and decentralisation in crypto projects and the world
28:37  Why nation-states are violent systems that don’t work
31:57 Selective transparency; the future
33:52 ZenCash’s public Trello Roadmap
36:50 Open source or not open source?
42:06 Evolving systems to create multiple DAOs competing
43:40 ZenCash and Seasteadings are the best friends in the world
44:38 First Tahitian Seasteading Gathering 2017
46:35 The effects on a world with seasteads
47:49 Ideal properties of a community and the importance of humility
51:38 Hero Engine World, Ethland, Blue Frontiers and Rob’s projects
53:59 Keep Calm &…
55:02 The Varyon, the cryptocurrency of seasteads
57:21 “our parents’ generation was all hippies…but they were poor hippies. We now wit cryptocurrencies can afford to make this stuff a reality. We are going going to create a more peaceful happy clean world”
59:20 How to join Blue Frontiers community on Telegram



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Cindicator and Blue Frontiers’ Strategic Partnership: Yuri Lobynstev - Episode 13

May 18, 2018

This episode of the Blue Frontiers Podcast is the first of the Varyon Series. The guest is Cindicaor’s Co-Founder and CTO, Yuri Lobynstev. In this episode Yuri talks to our seavangelesse about the key concepts at the core of Cindicator, such as hybrid intelligence and its future global strategy. Yuri also explains what role does collective intelligence can place in decision-making on sasteads and why he decided to become advisor of Blue Frontiers. The talk also navigates through what intention represents for Yuri and how he became interested in concepts related to the mind and human psychology.





0:00 Intro
0:39 Yuri fall from a motorcycle
1:44 What is Cindicator
3:24 Cindicator on the Moscow Stock Exchange
4:16 Cindicator: 100.000 financial analysts & 160 countries
4:37 Hybrid intelligence
5:04 Cindicator’s App
5:50 Machine learning algorithms to correct human mistakes
6:39 Cindicator’s Global Strategy: creating the Global Brain
14:05: Hybrid intelligence on seasteads
17:42 Cindicator’s ICO selection process
20:56 Intention: Yuri’s trajectory in the realm of dreams, the human mind, psychology, the human brain and computers
35:27 Cindicator and Blue Frontiers
40:04 Blue Frontiers’ Insiders Access Week in Tahiti & French Polynesia
42:58 Yuri’s & Cindicator's role as an advisor of Blue Frontiers, the Varyon & the smart contract
47:11 Why contemporary world is so special
49:57 Advices for CEO’s doing ICO’s
53:29 Closing


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Bonus Episode: Randy Hencken Talks to Dorjee Sun

May 13, 2018

In this episode, Blue Frontiers co-founder and COO Randy Hencken speaks with Dorjee Sun, a social entrepreneur based in Singapore. His work for Carbon Conservation was the subject of the international feature documentary The Burning Season in 2008. He currently serves as Director of Who Gives, Carbon Agro, and Carbon Conservation.

Time Magazine recognized Sun as one of the Heroes of the Environment (2009) for his work as a carbon-trade broker.[14] In April 2009 he was honored by the African Rainforest Conservancy for his work.





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Engineering will Make us Free: Rutger de Graaf van Dinter - Episode 12

May 7, 2018


The guest of this episode of the Floating Architecture, Engineering & Design Series is Rutger de Graaf van Dinter, a civil engineer with a very special vision. In this conversation with our seavangelesse, Rutger speaks of how floating architecture can make human societies more resilient. Not only at an engineering level, but also in terms of better governance. Engineering will make us free! Free from bad governance is the conclusion of this podcast between Rutger de Graaf and Nathalie Mezza-Garcia.





1:02 Introduction to Rutger de Graaf and his PhD thesis

1:43 Harnessing complexity in sociotechnical systems

4:07 Transition management

4:36 Why building floating structures

5:00 Water management in the Netherlands

6:22 Algae fuels

6:45 Land scarcity

7:48 Sea level rise

8:33 Resilience and adaptation

10:48 Vulnerability of centralised systems

12:23 Decentralised water management

12:57 The robustness of decentralised and distributed systems

13:49 Achieving political independence with decentralised physical infrastructure

14:55 Governance on the commons

15:37 Autonomy and self-governance of utility infrastructure

16:58 Public/private partnerships on seasteads

18:00 The limitations of traditional legislation for technological innovation

19:20 Can engineering make us free?

20:10 The value of experimentation

22:20 Monitoring as a mechanism of control and learning

22:45 The weakening of the nation-state

25:10 Space at Sea, a project between Blue21 and Marine in the North Sea

26:10 City states on water

27:18 Floating Special Economic Zones  

29:40 The impossibly of knowledge

28:37 Learning from ecology

29:53 The failure of hierarchical management for organising societies

30:20 What has changed in the past ten years

32:58 The visionary municipality of Rotterdam

34:30 The municipality of Rotterdam  

34:20 The power of young innovators and the role of luck in success

36:30 The limitations of innovation steering by governments

37:20 The value of failures

39:38 A future full of seasteads

41:00 The impact of Joe Quirk’s book

43:29 Rutger childhood’s dreams

44:36 Indymo, water monitoring with underwater drones (Indymo)

48:33 Underwater sensors (algae monitoring, temperature, turbidity, salinity, nutrients…)

51:00 Rui Lima, the global expert in underwater drones for monitoring water quality

52:18 The intrinsic value of nature

54:25 How floating structures can help create new underwater ecosystems

56:45 Monitoring water in the Floating Island Project

58:30 Floating Futures Conference



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Startup Societies Consortium for Puerto Rico: Joseph McKinney - Episode 11

May 3, 2018


This episode is the second part of the podcast with Joseph McKinney, CEO of Nuhanse Network and the Startup Societies Foundation. The chat is focused on the Startup Societies Summit at the George Mason University, organized with the purpose of creating a consortium about how can blockchain technologies help rebuild Puerto Rico after the hurricane. Joe does a great job in describing what are the goals of the consortium, who are the speakers, the relevance of the Puerto Rican participation in the event, and the action-oriented focus of it. Joe also speaks of the open source legal system ULEX, by developed by Tom W. Bell, which won the Dragon’s Den competition in April 2018. You will also hear here why the promotion of experimentation of governance at the core of the Startup Societies Foundation and Blue Frontiers is so important, thanks to a conversation that Joe has with our Seavangelesse, Nathalie Mezza-Garcia, about self-organized commons and the relations that anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-communism have.






0:00 Introduction to the podcast and Joe McKinney

1:17 Startup Societies Foundation and Nuhanse Network

1:38 Institute for Competitive Governance

1:45 Part 1 of this podcast

2:38 Startup Societies Conglomerate

3:12 Sharing information across startup societies

3:45 Ethical principles for startup societies of the Startup Societies Conglomerate

4:37 Elysium, Startup Societies HQ in Malta

5:00 The role of the Startup Societies Foundation

5:55 The concept of startup society

6:10 Why is Joe not a Libertarian

7:40 Startup Society Summit about Puerto Rico at George Mason University #dontarguerebuild

8:55 Puerto Ricans in the consortium (Friends of Puerto Rico, Foundation for Puerto Rico, Colmena 66)

9:35 Greg Delaune, Joe Quirk, Lotta Morberg, Crystal Rose, Tom W. Bell, Adelle Brown, Rahul Chapra, Eduard Stringam, Derek McGill

10:40 Action-oriented project of the Startup Societies

11:15 Startup cities in Puerto Rico (Joe’s goal)

12:35 Consortium with Restart Week, Puertopians

13:32 Puerto Rican and Spanish-speaking participation in the consortium

15:08 Dragon’s Den competition won by Tom W. Bell’s ULEX, Institute for Competitive Governance

17:57 Open Source Journal for Startup Societies with Patri Friedman and Tom W. Bell

19:55 The role of geography in the ULEX

21:00 Restart Week West & Tribalize

21:35 Libertarian ecologists and communes

22:24 Nathalie’s PhD research about heterarchies, seasteading and the Floating Island Project  

27:27 Strategies for creating startup societies

33:57 Liberland

35:15 Negotiating and partnering with nations and governments

36:41 Is taxation theft?

37:41 Anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-communism

39:01 Self-organized institutions for collective action

40:40 Post-ideological world

40:50 Avoiding the tragedy of the commons

46:18 Goodbyes



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